The Catholic Church and its Impact - October 13 - 20th
Ever present in Angela's Ashes is the Catholic Church. In what ways does the Catholic Church of McCourt's Ireland hurt its members and limit their experience? Explain and give specific
evidence to support your answer
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Back in the days, students who went to school everyday strictly obligated them to know about God and also the Catholic church. For example, they have to know that God made the world, if you cant recite the Apostle's Creed, if you can't say your name in Irish, if you can't say Hail Mary in Irish, they will hit you. (Chapter 2, Page 80) I think that their experience as a kid were quite limited. Why? I think it is because of how the priests, teachers, probably parents too, treat the children. They didn't enjoy much of their childhood because of strict regulations, which is kind of a good thing, because they wouldn't have been good and responsible children if adults weren't that strict, just like Frank McCourt.
I really don't that much about that catholic really, but I know it's where you go pretty much every Sunday and prayer and gather but in the story, it's has a down side and upside, where they go to church. The church is looking for money so they can get help and get money but the family can't afford to give the money cause the way they are living and it's pretty hard cause it has a down said too.
The Catholic Church plays a giant role in quite a bit of the book. They aren't helping or supporting the family's in poverty in the school (like the McCourts ) they expect the family's to bring in money for other family's that are living in poverty which doesn't makes sense since there are family's living in poverty right there. Even tho it does play a big role in the book it doesn't help in anyways.
In a way the Catholic Church was often used by parents to help them guilt their children from being bad by sending them to confession and guilt them with God's opinion of them. This can be a good way to raise your child into a good kid but a lot of the kids who were controlled through their childhood want to act out more later on in life when it matters more if you mess up. So in a sense the Catholic Church does limit your ability to mess up and learn from your own mistakes especially when your growing up. -Brittany k
You've made an interesting point Brittany - and I would agree. Individuals do need to learn from their mistakes - and although the Church may hope to provide some structure - if it's through guilt - it likely isn't that helpful.
The Catholic Church is used by parents to teach their kids that what their doing is wrong but by going to confession they can make everything ok and that in a way is saying you cant make mistakes you have to be perfect or god wont love you and thats very limiting on a child -d.h
It shows a good role in the book . Therefor they don't really help support the family's in poverty in schools they want family's to bring home money for other people that are living their life under poverty even tbough people still live with poverty they still do what they have to do. So it shows that in the book it has a fair play of the role in the book with poverty .
The Catholic Church played a huge role to almost everyone in the 30s and 40s in Ireland. If you could not tell the teachers why god made the world you were hit . (Page 80) in my opinion that's hurting the family in relations to The Catholic Church - Daniel Teichroeb period 2
The catholic church in the novel Angelas Ashes plays a big role, the church hurts their members by completely ignoring the fact that the members of the church are struggling with poverty and yet the church still asks them for money too send to the children in Africa that are also struggling with poverty. They also used to physically hurt the children if they weren't able too do what they are told, like saying their name in Irish or weren't able too recite the apostles creed. Basically the church is only good for practicing religion and staying faithful, they don't help families with real problems like McCourts family has. Period 2, Julie.P
The catholic chruch plays a large role in the novel and for a portion a negative one. If the children in school don't know certain things about their religion they get hit pg 117-18 and they are limiting them to strictly catholic ways. MB
I liked how your details explained how the students get hit when they don't know certain things about their religion but maybe you could explain ask to why they don't know those things about their religion and a few more examples as to how it is limited to strict catholic ways other than getting hit when one thing is unknown -Sheena N
Because it in a way forces members to go every single Sunday but some people may be busy, and the church asks people to give money to the poor meanwhile some of the people attending the church may be some of those poor unable to pay for themselves non the less others -Sheena Newman Period 3
The catholic church has a huge part in the book but it hurts the family. The church doesn't give the McCourts the help they need to survive. Not only do they barley help the McCourts but they expect them to bring money to help children in other countries. The church also hurts the kids in a way because they teach them about religion and stuff but if the kids want to know more or ask questions about what they learned they will get beat or humiliated in front of there friends. - Susan Prystupa P.3
Star: I like how you have specific details from the book like how they feel humiliated to ask questions. Wish: I wish you would've touched on how the church doesn't help them or why they won't help the McCourts.
The Catholic Church has a huge part in the book. The Church doesn't really help the McCourts with the stuff that they need. The Church also wants money to help the church and they can't do that. Eric L. Period 2
The Catholic Church is an instrumental part of the book. The Catholic Church represents a polar opposite where poverty is defined by a geographical boundary not an economic one. While the Church sympathizes with starving families in Africa, it blindly turns away from poor Irish and asks them to help the less fortunate in other countries. People starving and dying from the potato famine in Ireland are viewed as more fortunate than those in a developing country. Asking the poor for money is crazy.
Star: dug the part about how the Church views poverty as purely geographical Wish: could've made one more point on how the church hurts its members sometimes
The Catholic Church plays a huge role in the novel. The church makes it very difficult for the McCourt family to support themselves because of the fact that they are asked to bring in money to give to people living in poverty when they are also living in poverty. The Catholic Church was very hard on the children, requiring them to know why God made the world, the Apostles' Creed and their names in Irish. If they didn't know something, they were hit.
The Church plays a big role in this book and I don't think the Church is good. It doesn't help the families with their struggles but expects them to bring in money. The Church also limits a childs beliefs because they're taught that the Catholic way is the only way and that's wrong.
The Catholic Church does indeed play a key role in Angela's Ashes. Faith is extremely significant in Limerick, but we can question if such a faith is a good thing in people's life there or not. What we see through Frank's McCourt eyes are negativities more than anything else, we see situations where the teacher tells them how they should die for faith, although they are only kids, we also see how Frank is being mentally manipulated, like how he is a sinful person and he will end in hell eternally, if he doesn't confess to the priest about anything and everything! We also notice how the Church hurts the Irish society. Catholics are taught to hate Protestant, from an early age, I recall a situation where Frank sees young Protestant girls on the street , with lovely smiles, as he describes them, the shocking thing was that Frank actually felt pity for them since he was taught that they are doomed forever! In this book you start to notice how the faith in the Catholic Church hurts them rather than giving those hopes.
A very good point about the dangers of religion. Yes, we are encouraged to be loving - but then setting people apart because of their religions becomes very dangerous and as we've seen result in wars, death, etc...
In the story the church plays a good role to other people but to the macorts family no a good role because everytime the mom prays to God nothing happens.J.B p1
The catholic church plays a big role in Ireland, kids often get hit if they dont know how to pray in school, most kids don't even tell their parents about it because they're scared of getting hit by their parents. And families are force to give money to the church even if they're in poverty, just like the McCourts
I think there is nothing wrong if leaders and members of the Catholic Church sincerely follow the teachings of Christ like love, faith, compassion, hope, charity etc. The problem is when people use the church's teachings to their advantage and come up with their own interpretation of what the Bible says. Angela's problem actually started when her cousins forced her to marry Malachy because they had an affair. They were more concerned about what people will say about Angela instead of thinking if the two (Angela and Malachy) are ready to get married and start a family. Malachy's lack of interest in finding a job or staying in a job has something to do with his blind faith that God will not abandon them. Although there is nothing wrong in having faith, but not working will not do his family any good. His pride also did not help his family. Margaret Sheehan's rage when she learned that Frank threw up the communion bread is an unreasonable. Instead of thinking what was wrong with Frank, she got so mad with Frank and decided not to help the family. The Catholic Church also expects the family to give donations to the church even though they know that Angela's family is poor. I think punishing kids for not memorizing the Ten Commandments,the Seven Virtues, Apostles' Creed etc. or missing a word in Irish is way too far. Besides, it doesn't mean that if the kids memorize these things, they are better than those who practice what their religion teaches them to do.
I think the Catholic Church is play a big role in the Irish life and spirit. Like in the book" they hit you don't know why God made the world", They think that's the religion is one of the most important things in there life, children doesn't like this way to have there religion, like Frank. Also that in my mind i think the most of church is the role of helping the poverty people but the Catholic Church did not do that. They doesn't give any help for the McCourt.
The Catholic Church plays a major role in Frank McCourt's memoir book Angela's Ashes. The church hurts McCourt by not supporting or helping the members that are stricken with poverty. These people could not even support themselves but the church wanted the members to give money for other people in other countries that are poor. BM period 1
Strong comments being made about the role the Catholic Church plays in the novel. A number of examples discussing the irony of being asked to give money when people are living in poverty were made. Also of note was the role of any religion that encourages love - but then hate for others that don't have the same beliefs...? What are your thoughts on that?
the catholic church play a big role in Frank McCourt's memoir. the catholic church was mostly represented in a negative way by frank in his memoir. i think that being a catholic was not wrong but the the way that the Catholicism was represented and the way it was taught to the kids like frank was wrong. the fear of going to the hell if thy didnt pray, the fear of experiencing anything because it may be a sin, and also the teachers asking the kids to die for faith, all of those ideas are wrong to be told to the kids, at least in that way. also the family lived in fear of eternal damnation for not praying or doing devotions as often as prescribed by Roman Catholic Church authorities. another thing that disappointed frank about the church was the Church failing miserably to provide service and charity to the people who are suffering from poverty. for example there was a situation where the clergy men were stringent about issuing dockets even though they were essential for the survival of the people and one woman goes as far as threatening them to get boots for her. also there was when the The Saint Vincent de Paul Society does not give enough food for them to survive. although that the church had a bad image and many negative sides through the memoir the church also have given some kind of hope to frank and helped him alot through his childhood. one situation I remember that the church reflect a positive image on frank was when Frank feels guilty for stealing a drunken man's fish and chips while searching for his father, he goes to confession while feeling guilty for what he has done and the through priest made him fell some kind of comfort.
The Catholic Church does seem to be a big part in the book, But i don't think there doing good. They are getting people to give them money to help other far away but they have many around them and aren't helping them out through the hard times. Even a little money would most likely be a blessing to Angle -Saundra Voss Period 1
The catholic church plays a huge role in this novel due to the time it took place. Back then people went to church every Sunday and prayed and made confessions on their sins. In this novel it talks about poverty and the church as much as it's trying to help is contributing to that substantially by asking for money from people who can't give. These people are born to believe in going to church is a part of life and help fund the church but they can't even provide for their own kids. I think that's shameful on the church it's self. K.S Peroid 2
The catholic church in the book plays a huge role because of the irony. The church is suppose to be the place where the McCourts can feel safe and to receive help but it's hurting them more than helping. The church expects donations from them even though they don't even have enough money to eat everyday. The boys are scared to ask questions or get help from the church because the get beat. The church isn't making them feel safe at all. The church is a big ironic mess if you ask me.
The Church plays a very large role in the book as being quite harmful at times for the families under its influence. For starters, the catholic church seems to run all of the schools, and while school is very important, it seems some teachers only care about raising the children to be good Catholics and not teaching them actual important skills. It also seems that the whole religion was taught to Frank by using fear and threats to get him to obey and conform to what they wanted. Constantly telling him he would go to hell unless he strictly follows certain rules will leave such deep impressions in him that it will almost be impossible for him to learn other ways of thinking, especially because the schools were run by the church. There's also the part about how poor families must donate money to help the poor children in Africa but then no one is donating money to help them. It seems that the only reason people would donate is for purely selfish reasons and so that they could say that they're "good Catholics" by donating to the poor non-Catholic children in Africa. It seems that for many of these children, they're taught that the Church must come first and that they must always give to the Church first before anything else and that's a very damaging thing to the children, both mentally and financially.
Catholic church in Ireland mid-40's complete disorder, when I think church the ideas of safety,haven and trust come to mind. Although the church in the book almost has a double standard that you must repent and refrain from sin but you must also give the little money you have to the church, and now how will you feed the family you have? Well don't go to the church because they'll take one look and close the doors on you. Another example in the book Mr.O'Halloran besought that Frank be enrolled in secondary school, which was runned by the church at the time. "He comes to the door, looks at my mother and men says.What? Mam says, This is my son,Frank. Mr.O'Halloran at leamy's says he's bright and would there be any chance of getting him in here for secondary school" (McCourt pg 289) with one look of Frank without any idea of how intelligent he is quickly denies his entry claiming they had 'no room'. This is the second time the church denies Frank before he had been told that they had no room when asked to become the altar boy even with Frank being able to speak Latin verses, his appearance of lower class crushes his chances. Frank could have gone to school and be able to get a higher education leading to a better and well paying job but the church realistically was the only thing keeping him achieving. Nicole period 2
In the book Catholic churches plays a big role, because the churches treat people who are in poverty like they're nothing. The church is supposed to be a place of God, forgiveness and acceptance but the church wouldn't give Frank a position in the church because he looked too poor for the job. The church treated people in poverty as if they weren't even people because they would hand out their scrap food instead of borrowing them money to buy a full meal or get back on their feet. Also they expect people no matter how poor to give money every Sunday for the church but can't even spare a dime to help the people in poverty. So in conclusion to me it seemed as if the church was the complete opposite as they lead you to believe. period 2, K.T
Sadly, your comments about the Catholic Church of Frank McCourt's world are very true...it was an institution that went out of its way to keep people in their place... Thankfully at the end Frank is able to gain some peace when he goes to the Priest to talk about the fight he had with his mother.
The Catholic church in the novel Angela's Ashes hurts the family in more ways than one. First off, The catholic church wouldn't accept Frank McCourt because he had a lack of money. They basically treated him like he was non existant. The book does illustrate several ways the catholic church helps the McCourt family. Whenever they are feeling down and sad they can always look towards God or one of the priests. Now this isn't exactly the curch, it is more or less the thought of someone to turn to for guildence that helps them along their path to enlightenment -Evan Waruk -P2
Although the church does help it's members in a lot of ways, it hurts more than helps. By making the kids feel pain, they are hoping the children will learn from their mistakes. But instead of learning to be a better person, these kids are learning how to hate not only their teachers and classmates, but knowledge in general. Period 2 Austin P
I think that the Catholic Church in the Memoir Angela's Ashes, Frank McCourt is taught, accepted, rejected, and harassed by the Church. Others in the Story are also seen as this happened to. We see Frank learn of their ways. But others seem to accept the Church's ways. We also see Frank form his own opinion, and beliefs. I believe that the Church in the novel does limit, and deviate its members
Back in the days, students who went to school everyday strictly obligated them to know about God and also the Catholic church. For example, they have to know that God made the world, if you cant recite the Apostle's Creed, if you can't say your name in Irish, if you can't say Hail Mary in Irish, they will hit you. (Chapter 2, Page 80) I think that their experience as a kid were quite limited. Why? I think it is because of how the priests, teachers, probably parents too, treat the children. They didn't enjoy much of their childhood because of strict regulations, which is kind of a good thing, because they wouldn't have been good and responsible children if adults weren't that strict, just like Frank McCourt.
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I really don't that much about that catholic really, but I know it's where you go pretty much every Sunday and prayer and gather but in the story, it's has a down side and upside, where they go to church. The church is looking for money so they can get help and get money but the family can't afford to give the money cause the way they are living and it's pretty hard cause it has a down said too.
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic Church plays a giant role in quite a bit of the book. They aren't helping or supporting the family's in poverty in the school (like the McCourts ) they expect the family's to bring in money for other family's that are living in poverty which doesn't makes sense since there are family's living in poverty right there. Even tho it does play a big role in the book it doesn't help in anyways.
ReplyDeleteIn a way the Catholic Church was often used by parents to help them guilt their children from being bad by sending them to confession and guilt them with God's opinion of them. This can be a good way to raise your child into a good kid but a lot of the kids who were controlled through their childhood want to act out more later on in life when it matters more if you mess up. So in a sense the Catholic Church does limit your ability to mess up and learn from your own mistakes especially when your growing up. -Brittany k
ReplyDeleteYou've made an interesting point Brittany - and I would agree. Individuals do need to learn from their mistakes - and although the Church may hope to provide some structure - if it's through guilt - it likely isn't that helpful.
DeleteThe Catholic Church is used by parents to teach their kids that what their doing is wrong but by going to confession they can make everything ok and that in a way is saying you cant make mistakes you have to be perfect or god wont love you and thats very limiting on a child -d.h
ReplyDeleteIt shows a good role in the book . Therefor they don't really help support the family's in poverty in schools they want family's to bring home money for other people that are living their life under poverty even tbough people still live with poverty they still do what they have to do. So it shows that in the book it has a fair play of the role in the book with poverty .
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Pretty good examples maybe provide some more detail and go a little more in depth with your response mb
DeleteThe Catholic Church played a huge role to almost everyone in the 30s and 40s in Ireland. If you could not tell the teachers why god made the world you were hit . (Page 80) in my opinion that's hurting the family in relations to
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic Church - Daniel Teichroeb period 2
The catholic church in the novel Angelas Ashes plays a big role, the church hurts their members by completely ignoring the fact that the members of the church are struggling with poverty and yet the church still asks them for money too send to the children in Africa that are also struggling with poverty. They also used to physically hurt the children if they weren't able too do what they are told, like saying their name in Irish or weren't able too recite the apostles creed. Basically the church is only good for practicing religion and staying faithful, they don't help families with real problems like McCourts family has.
ReplyDeletePeriod 2, Julie.P
The catholic chruch plays a large role in the novel and for a portion a negative one. If the children in school don't know certain things about their religion they get hit pg 117-18 and they are limiting them to strictly catholic ways. MB
ReplyDeleteI liked how your details explained how the students get hit when they don't know certain things about their religion but maybe you could explain ask to why they don't know those things about their religion and a few more examples as to how it is limited to strict catholic ways other than getting hit when one thing is unknown
Delete-Sheena N
Because it in a way forces members to go every single Sunday but some people may be busy, and the church asks people to give money to the poor meanwhile some of the people attending the church may be some of those poor unable to pay for themselves non the less others
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The catholic church has a huge part in the book but it hurts the family. The church doesn't give the McCourts the help they need to survive. Not only do they barley help the McCourts but they expect them to bring money to help children in other countries. The church also hurts the kids in a way because they teach them about religion and stuff but if the kids want to know more or ask questions about what they learned they will get beat or humiliated in front of there friends.
ReplyDelete- Susan Prystupa P.3
Star: I like how you have specific details from the book like how they feel humiliated to ask questions.
DeleteWish: I wish you would've touched on how the church doesn't help them or why they won't help the McCourts.
The Catholic Church has a huge part in the book. The Church doesn't really help the McCourts with the stuff that they need. The Church also wants money to help the church and they can't do that. Eric L. Period 2
ReplyDeleteit makes them lose money by getting them to donate and with that comes poverty
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic Church is an instrumental part of the book. The Catholic Church represents a polar opposite where poverty is defined by a geographical boundary not an economic one. While the Church sympathizes with starving families in Africa, it blindly turns away from poor Irish and asks them to help the less fortunate in other countries. People starving and dying from the potato famine in Ireland are viewed as more fortunate than those in a developing country. Asking the poor for money is crazy.
ReplyDeleteStar: dug the part about how the Church views poverty as purely geographical
DeleteWish: could've made one more point on how the church hurts its members sometimes
The Catholic Church plays a huge role in the novel. The church makes it very difficult for the McCourt family to support themselves because of the fact that they are asked to bring in money to give to people living in poverty when they are also living in poverty. The Catholic Church was very hard on the children, requiring them to know why God made the world, the Apostles' Creed and their names in Irish. If they didn't know something, they were hit.
ReplyDeleteThe Church plays a big role in this book and I don't think the Church is good. It doesn't help the families with their struggles but expects them to bring in money. The Church also limits a childs beliefs because they're taught that the Catholic way is the only way and that's wrong.
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The Catholic Church does indeed play a key role in Angela's Ashes. Faith is extremely significant in Limerick, but we can question if such a faith is a good thing in people's life there or not. What we see through Frank's McCourt eyes are negativities more than anything else, we see situations where the teacher tells them how they should die for faith, although they are only kids, we also see how Frank is being mentally manipulated, like how he is a sinful person and he will end in hell eternally, if he doesn't confess to the priest about anything and everything! We also notice how the Church hurts the Irish society. Catholics are taught to hate Protestant, from an early age, I recall a situation where Frank sees young Protestant girls on the street , with lovely smiles, as he describes them, the shocking thing was that Frank actually felt pity for them since he was taught that they are doomed forever! In this book you start to notice how the faith in the Catholic Church hurts them rather than giving those hopes.
ReplyDeleteA very good point about the dangers of religion. Yes, we are encouraged to be loving - but then setting people apart because of their religions becomes very dangerous and as we've seen result in wars, death, etc...
DeleteIn the story the church plays a good role to other people but to the macorts family no a good role because everytime the mom prays to God nothing happens.J.B p1
ReplyDeleteStar: Good points
DeleteWish: Use better grammar and expand on the points that you have put.
The catholic church plays a big role in Ireland, kids often get hit if they dont know how to pray in school, most kids don't even tell their parents about it because they're scared of getting hit by their parents. And families are force to give money to the church even if they're in poverty, just like the McCourts
ReplyDeleteI think there is nothing wrong if leaders and members of the Catholic Church sincerely follow the teachings of Christ like love, faith, compassion, hope, charity etc. The problem is when people use the church's teachings to their advantage and come up with their own interpretation of what the Bible says. Angela's problem actually started when her cousins forced her to marry Malachy because they had an affair. They were more concerned about what people will say about Angela instead of thinking if the two (Angela and Malachy) are ready to get married and start a family. Malachy's lack of interest in finding a job or staying in a job has something to do with his blind faith that God will not abandon them. Although there is nothing wrong in having faith, but not working will not do his family any good. His pride also did not help his family. Margaret Sheehan's rage when she learned that Frank threw up the communion bread is an unreasonable. Instead of thinking what was wrong with Frank, she got so mad with Frank and decided not to help the family. The Catholic Church also expects the family to give donations to the church even though they know that Angela's family is poor. I think punishing kids for not memorizing the Ten Commandments,the Seven Virtues, Apostles' Creed etc. or missing a word in Irish is way too far. Besides, it doesn't mean that if the kids memorize these things, they are better than those who practice what their religion teaches them to do.
ReplyDeletegreat explanation your comment made me think a bout how the church was responsible for most of the things hat happening with the McCourts.
DeleteI think the Catholic Church is play a big role in the Irish life and spirit. Like in the book" they hit you don't know why God made the world", They think that's the religion is one of the most important things in there life, children doesn't like this way to have there religion, like Frank. Also that in my mind i think the most of church is the role of helping the poverty people but the Catholic Church did not do that. They doesn't give any help for the McCourt.
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic Church plays a major role in Frank McCourt's memoir book Angela's Ashes. The church hurts McCourt by not supporting or helping the members that are stricken with poverty. These people could not even support themselves but the church wanted the members to give money for other people in other countries that are poor.
ReplyDeleteBM period 1
Strong comments being made about the role the Catholic Church plays in the novel. A number of examples discussing the irony of being asked to give money when people are living in poverty were made. Also of note was the role of any religion that encourages love - but then hate for others that don't have the same beliefs...? What are your thoughts on that?
ReplyDeletethe catholic church play a big role in Frank McCourt's memoir. the catholic church was mostly represented in a negative way by frank in his memoir. i think that being a catholic was not wrong but the the way that the Catholicism was represented and the way it was taught to the kids like frank was wrong. the fear of going to the hell if thy didnt pray, the fear of experiencing anything because it may be a sin, and also the teachers asking the kids to die for faith, all of those ideas are wrong to be told to the kids, at least in that way. also the family lived in fear of eternal damnation for not praying or doing devotions as often as prescribed by Roman Catholic Church authorities. another thing that disappointed frank about the church was the Church failing miserably to provide service and charity to the people who are suffering from poverty. for example there was a situation where the clergy men were stringent about issuing dockets even though they were essential for the survival of the people and one woman goes as far as threatening them to get boots for her. also there was when the The Saint Vincent de Paul Society does not give enough food for them to survive.
ReplyDeletealthough that the church had a bad image and many negative sides through the memoir the church also have given some kind of hope to frank and helped him alot through his childhood. one situation I remember that the church reflect a positive image on frank was when Frank feels guilty for stealing a drunken man's fish and chips while searching for his father, he goes to confession while feeling guilty for what he has done and the through priest made him fell some kind of comfort.
The Catholic Church does seem to be a big part in the book, But i don't think there doing good. They are getting people to give them money to help other far away but they have many around them and aren't helping them out through the hard times. Even a little money would most likely be a blessing to Angle
ReplyDelete-Saundra Voss Period 1
The catholic church plays a huge role in this novel due to the time it took place. Back then people went to church every Sunday and prayed and made confessions on their sins. In this novel it talks about poverty and the church as much as it's trying to help is contributing to that substantially by asking for money from people who can't give. These people are born to believe in going to church is a part of life and help fund the church but they can't even provide for their own kids. I think that's shameful on the church it's self. K.S Peroid 2
ReplyDeleteThe catholic church in the book plays a huge role because of the irony. The church is suppose to be the place where the McCourts can feel safe and to receive help but it's hurting them more than helping. The church expects donations from them even though they don't even have enough money to eat everyday. The boys are scared to ask questions or get help from the church because the get beat. The church isn't making them feel safe at all. The church is a big ironic mess if you ask me.
ReplyDeleteThe Church plays a very large role in the book as being quite harmful at times for the families under its influence. For starters, the catholic church seems to run all of the schools, and while school is very important, it seems some teachers only care about raising the children to be good Catholics and not teaching them actual important skills. It also seems that the whole religion was taught to Frank by using fear and threats to get him to obey and conform to what they wanted. Constantly telling him he would go to hell unless he strictly follows certain rules will leave such deep impressions in him that it will almost be impossible for him to learn other ways of thinking, especially because the schools were run by the church. There's also the part about how poor families must donate money to help the poor children in Africa but then no one is donating money to help them. It seems that the only reason people would donate is for purely selfish reasons and so that they could say that they're "good Catholics" by donating to the poor non-Catholic children in Africa. It seems that for many of these children, they're taught that the Church must come first and that they must always give to the Church first before anything else and that's a very damaging thing to the children, both mentally and financially.
ReplyDeleteCatholic church in Ireland mid-40's complete disorder, when I think church the ideas of safety,haven and trust come to mind. Although the church in the book almost has a double standard that you must repent and refrain from sin but you must also give the little money you have to the church, and now how will you feed the family you have? Well don't go to the church because they'll take one look and close the doors on you. Another example in the book Mr.O'Halloran besought that Frank be enrolled in secondary school, which was runned by the church at the time. "He comes to the door, looks at my mother and men says.What?
ReplyDeleteMam says, This is my son,Frank. Mr.O'Halloran at leamy's says he's bright and would there be any chance of getting him in here for secondary school" (McCourt pg 289) with one look of Frank without any idea of how intelligent he is quickly denies his entry claiming they had 'no room'. This is the second time the church denies Frank before he had been told that they had no room when asked to become the altar boy even with Frank being able to speak Latin verses, his appearance of lower class crushes his chances. Frank could have gone to school and be able to get a higher education leading to a better and well paying job but the church realistically was the only thing keeping him achieving. Nicole period 2
In the book Catholic churches plays a big role, because the churches treat people who are in poverty like they're nothing. The church is supposed to be a place of God, forgiveness and acceptance but the church wouldn't give Frank a position in the church because he looked too poor for the job. The church treated people in poverty as if they weren't even people because they would hand out their scrap food instead of borrowing them money to buy a full meal or get back on their feet. Also they expect people no matter how poor to give money every Sunday for the church but can't even spare a dime to help the people in poverty. So in conclusion to me it seemed as if the church was the complete opposite as they lead you to believe. period 2, K.T
ReplyDeleteSadly, your comments about the Catholic Church of Frank McCourt's world are very true...it was an institution that went out of its way to keep people in their place...
ReplyDeleteThankfully at the end Frank is able to gain some peace when he goes to the Priest to talk about the fight he had with his mother.
The Catholic church in the novel Angela's Ashes hurts the family in more ways than one. First off, The catholic church wouldn't accept Frank McCourt because he had a lack of money. They basically treated him like he was non existant. The book does illustrate several ways the catholic church helps the McCourt family. Whenever they are feeling down and sad they can always look towards God or one of the priests. Now this isn't exactly the curch, it is more or less the thought of someone to turn to for guildence that helps them along their path to enlightenment
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Although the church does help it's members in a lot of ways, it hurts more than helps. By making the kids feel pain, they are hoping the children will learn from their mistakes. But instead of learning to be a better person, these kids are learning how to hate not only their teachers and classmates, but knowledge in general. Period 2 Austin P
ReplyDeleteI think that the Catholic Church in the Memoir Angela's Ashes, Frank McCourt is taught, accepted, rejected, and harassed by the Church. Others in the Story are also seen as this happened to. We see Frank learn of their ways. But others seem to accept the Church's ways. We also see Frank form his own opinion, and beliefs. I believe that the Church in the novel does limit, and deviate its members
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